Catford Bridge Tavern - To become a retail shop?

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Catford Bridge Tavern - To become a retail shop?

Postby biccy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:20 am

The recently re-opened Catford Bridge Tavern (The Copperfield) is the subject the following full planning application by Technostar Ltd c/o DVS Property Ltd who appear to own the building.

The alteration and conversion of the upper floors at The Catford Tavern Station Approach SE6, together with the change of use of the basement to retail storage (Use Class A1), alterations to the elevations, the provision of bicycle and bin storage to provide 4 two bedroom and 1 three bedroom self-contained flats.


The documents indicate that during meetings in June with planning officers....

It was disclosed that the lower level of the existing public house was currently undergoing a transaction that the public house would be subject to a change of use to planning class A1 which would be taken up by a national retailer.

The conversion of the public House to Retail is a permitted change with the planning act however however does not form part of this submission. It is therefore that this application is to be considered on it merit in view of the future change to the ground and basement floor.


....it is likely that the ground floor will converted under permitted development in to retail unit and a major chain is looking is looking to enquire (sic) the site.
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Postby biccy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:54 am

Just found an article on the News Shopper about councillor Liam Curran wishing to save pubs.......

He said: "It’s a myth that most are economically failing. We have significant examples of rough old pubs that have been turned around and are now very successful."

Cllr Curran dismissed the perception that pubs are closing because people don't want to go to them, pointing to success stories like Catford Bridge Tavern which has been turned around under new management.
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Postby Rachel » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:05 pm

ARGH! How many Tesco Express-style shops does one area need? The CBT is an excellent pub and has barely been open a year (six months?). I'm not sure where I'm remembering this from so it may be wrong, but didn't the Council invite Antic to take over The Copperfield because the old pub was causing too many problems? They've got a great kitchen going too and I presume spent money on a refit and spruce-up.
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Postby Guinness » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:38 pm

Best pub anywhere for miles around here imo, would be terrible if this happens.

Going by the success of the CBT I can see there being many many objections to this. Only have to look at the amount of responses on their home page since this news broke... https://twitter.com/catfordtavern
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Postby betamatt » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:43 pm

If this happens it will be a travesty. As Rachel says, Antic took a run-down troublesome pub and completely turned it around. It's a credit to the area and if the council has any sense at all it will reject the application. There are plenty of empty premises in Catford that need filling before trying to close and replace a healthy business!
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Postby Guinness » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:57 pm

Does anyone know that to be able to register your objection to this with the council is there a specific distance you need to be from the proposed site for your objection to be counted?

Its just over a mile away, but as my "local" really wouldn't want to loose it.
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Postby chickenlicken » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:59 pm

Cut and pasted from their twitter -

Email planning@lewisham.gov.uk, quoting DC/12/81142/X, giving your name and address, and lodge your opposition.
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Postby Xanderbee » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:08 pm

(Email planning@lewisham.gov.uk, quoting DC/12/81142/X, giving your name and address, and lodge your opposition.)


My friend has also just added this as her Facebook status for her 'local friends' that don't use this site but would want to oppose. Have just done the same. Might be worth doing to make more people aware!?
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Postby PeterG » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:28 pm

Surely the only reason the application is being made is because the pub isn't making enough money? If it is, it wouldn't close.
So while objecting may stop it being turned into something else...it will just close and be boarded up.
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Postby sarahluv » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:32 pm

PeterG wrote:Surely the only reason the application is being made is because the pub isn't making enough money? If it is, it wouldn't close.
So while objecting may stop it being turned into something else...it will just close and be boarded up.



not at all. The owner of the building is doing this, not the people who run the pub
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Postby MrMan » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:57 pm

sarahluv wrote:
PeterG wrote:Surely the only reason the application is being made is because the pub isn't making enough money? If it is, it wouldn't close.
So while objecting may stop it being turned into something else...it will just close and be boarded up.



not at all. The owner of the building is doing this, not the people who run the pub


Just read some of the tweets. Sounds like another Tesco Express\Sainsbury local, would be a travesty to lose a decent pub to that.
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Postby giantcatbear99 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:13 pm

sarahluv wrote:
PeterG wrote:Surely the only reason the application is being made is because the pub isn't making enough money? If it is, it wouldn't close.
So while objecting may stop it being turned into something else...it will just close and be boarded up.



not at all. The owner of the building is doing this, not the people who run the pub


Indeed. It looks like the landlord and Antic pubs only found out about this today, and it's come as a bit of a shock to them, and they have said they are planning to fight the application.
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Postby miss guy did » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:55 pm

@PeterG No, not at all. The pub is definitely a viable business. And a community asset. Pop down and see for yourself. It's usually busy, has a well priced menu of very good food, an excellent beer/cider/perry offering, friendly bar staff and lovely regulars. The pub was taken on on a tenancy at will (wild speculation on my part here - because Antic wasn't sure that Catford was ready for a decent boozer? and the property owners weren't sure what way the changes to planning laws - carried out in March 2012 - would swing - wild speculation on my part here) and this might have resulted in a lack of automatic defence against the changes.

@Guiness - the official list of consultees (the people statutorily obliged to be consulted) is tiny because the pub is on a virtual island with the South Circular and a railway line forming two of its three boundaries. So not many real neighbours. We* are going to try and engage the real neighbours as separate groups - eg local residents, local small business owners, local community groups over the next week because a single petition of 4 votes or 4,000 votes counts as only one objection.

If you want to register your objection write to your local councillors via this link : http://www.writetothem.com/ and let them know you are concerned. You can also lodge a general objection on the link on biccy's post above. Please be aware though that "I don't want a supermarket, I want a pub" isn't a valid objection and will not be counted as such. Things that do count are loss of community facility.

The pub, in the six months since it opened has:

become a meeting place for a new cycling group, an existing creative writing group, and a post match drinks venue for football teams from across the road;

held a weekly quiz night with a £50 winner's pot and an embarrassing charity shop booby prize.

become a venue, and an attractive one at that, for leaving (work) parties, christmas parties, wedding receptions and family celebrations.

And they want to hold regular cinema nights, maybe bar billiard competitions. They are always open to other suggestions. I'm waiting till this all blows over to suggest a concerted effort to use the Petanque Pitches in Ladywell Fields (South) for a local league.

They provided beer tent facilities at this year's Brockley Max and Corbett Residents Association festivals. They regularly donate gift vouchers for community/school raffles.

They were (still are hopefully) planning a monthly movie night.

They have actively engaged the local community (that's us) by seeking our views on what the next steps should be; working with the local community to make Catford a pleasant and safe place to socialise at night.

A new supermarket might be convenient but it will only ever sell you beans and milk at midnight And then fuck off when it no longer makes a profit leaving us with what we had when The Catford Tavern was The Copperfield.

If you'd like to know more please turn up and ask questions at the bar.

mgd x

*I have no absolutely no affiliation with CBT but I have a lot of love for what they are trying to do.
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Postby Brockley Nick » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:24 pm

The manager of the CBT has spoken about the issue on Brockley Central - here's the article in question, scroll down for his comments:

http://brockleycentral.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-catford-bridge-tavern-threatened.html
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Postby her_welshness » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:16 pm

Brockley Nick wrote:The manager of the CBT has spoken about the issue on Brockley Central - here's the article in question, scroll down for his comments:

http://brockleycentral.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-catford-bridge-tavern-threatened.html


Thanks Brockley Nick, I think it shows how much support the CBT has, especially as well on Twitter!

I have emailed my objection to this proposal - I am sick of Lewisham being carpet-bombed with Tesco's.
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